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Poster: Skobud Date: Mar 6, 2010 6:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The importance of attending a show

You don't understand and that's OK. If you did see shows live and this is the impression you have of them, then I am sorry your experience sucked so bad. In the end if you did see them, you then have the experience I am talking about. That is why you have the insight to tell me how ridiculous my opinion was. Either way, you are making my point.

This post was modified by Skobud on 2010-03-06 14:58:08

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Mar 6, 2010 8:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The importance of attending a show

smo (strictly my opinion) -- If listeners are going to listen to & discuss live music tapes on a purely musical basis, then listening only to The Grateful Dead does not cut it. We have 6.8 billion people on the planet.

If I have a pet peeve, it is this. Jer's banjo and pedal steel playing paled in comparison to some of the really great banjo and pedal steel players of his time. I taped many of them. Jer lovers may be missing out, perhaps?

On the other hand, if you are going to listen to & discuss live music tapes on a purely Grateful Dead basis, then discussing more than just the live music recordings of their shows seems like a natural thing to do.

What do the neutral-posturing archivists think about this? It's looking a bit like the GD archivist gig for UCSC is going to have more to do with fundraising than anything else on their plate. As for the archive's eventual opening on the UCSC campus, that's still about a year away.

Mickey Hart said the archive will likely need the media attention since it will have to depend on fundraising to complete its mission, which is to digitize the enormous amount of material to make it accessible to scholars and fans on the Internet.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Mar 6, 2010 6:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The importance of attending a show

I do understand the point that you are trying to make. If you have never experienced it; the eerie chill you got when the house lights went down, the smell of the indica mixed with patchouli, the anticipation of not knowing what was coming and whether or not it was going to hit you like a Mack truck, then you wont understand that feeling. But that is just the general vibe/experience of going to the show, not that much different then the parking lot scene experience for those who were into that.

Its just my opinion, but that all has nothing to do with the music. I did enjoy going to shows, otherwise I would not have wasted all that time and money going. But hearing Little Red Rooster at the Nassau Collisem has had no impact on what I get out of listening to a January '68 show today. I get alot more out of the music listening in the comfort of my home on a good sound system, the bands interaction with the crown notwithstanding...

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Poster: vapors Date: Mar 6, 2010 7:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The importance of attending a show

Well put. After struggling through my own efforts to add to this thread, I became uncertain as to what his point really is. You spell it out plainly though – the music is the point.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 6, 2010 2:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: CLIFF's very own mini Jam CD for 68...

Wait a minute...that was MY point...I cry foul! CLIFF stole my point...oh sure, he doesn't use "pie analogies" and doesn't confuse matters with getting side tracked as I do with conversing with whomever that was I got side tracked with, and he uses about 17 fewer posts to say it, but I still want to stake my claim to the fact that I said it...first, foremost, and most obliquely.

But, to make up for it, I have made my own little "CLIFF jams CD" just now! Jams of 68, and 68 only...with as few words as possible. Aren't you dying to know what's on this little "party background musical extr VA a Ganza"?

Tracks 9-11 from the Aox expanded version described elsewhere (ie, eleven jam; spoonful jam; clementine jam); these three tunes are the anchor to which ANYone, DEAD fan or no, can hear in the background and feel I might have finally developed some taste in music other than the usual they expect from me...Then, NPC from TftVault, just to show I was listening today when it was discussed, and besides, I love it; Finally, some early 68 gems that CLIFF taught me all about: SpJam from Jan RTrips offering; plus, the Eleven from RTs (Jan) too...A nice 70' little CD to put on when words are unnecessary or in the way (ie, folks do like to chit chat sometimes when visiting and enduring the DEAD at my house; usually in the form of abusing their host, but that's another unrelated story).

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Mar 6, 2010 4:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: CLIFF's very own mini Jam CD for 68...

I played the three instrumental bonus tracks on the Aoxo from the Golden Road box for my chick today, Guillaume. She was blown away, asking me "This is the Grateful Dead, really?"

I told her it doesnt get any Deader...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 6, 2010 5:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: CLIFF's very own mini Jam CD for 68...

Another victory! Outstanding...keep up the good work.

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Poster: vapors Date: Mar 7, 2010 3:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: CLIFF's very own mini Jam CD for 68...

The point being that having seen them live isn’t necessary to appreciate listening to them today. That like LiA has stated, the memories of the actual shows may fade away, but the recorded music will live on. Having a lot of experience seeing them in person, coupled with being a relic today (in my world here) that still immensely enjoys listening to the recordings and learning more about the band, it is easy for me to jump from one side of the fence to the other. Playing devil’s advocate can be tricky business and I again feel self conscious about posting so much.

I’ll admit that there is much that you state regarding the band that frankly has me shaking my head in disbelief at times. But you seem very resolved in your views, and I take away the good things, as I can with other posters whose knowledge and enthusiasm I have come to respect. My experience with the band was self indulgent, created a rift within my family, and put my career (and my ‘growing up’) on hold for many years. But it was rewarding as hell, and in those days we had little reference (such as this archive and forum) with which to compare or complain. Being in the moment, being with Jerry, being on the road! I feel very fortunate to have entered the scene before it exploded into atrociousness, although as a seasoned road warrior it wasn’t too hard to take it all in stride. There were some pretty dismal scenes for sure, but the music (such as it was) and the dance were what kept calling me back.

My point here? Just to say good morning, no hard feelings I hope, and thanks for getting me to break out Aoxomoxoa again! The album evokes great memories for me – just the cover artwork and back photo alone were magical and mystical images for me as a youngster, and the tunes are fantastic. Never saw them play Stephen, MotM or Cosmic Charlie, but these studio recordings still give me chills. And I had a great guitar session yesterday jamming along with the bonus tracks – got in tune by the Eleven and was flying to new heights. peace

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 7, 2010 6:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: CLIFF's very own mini Jam CD for 68...

Good morning to you as well! And fear not--I am not as hardened as I seem; in fact, I am generally engaged in my own self criticism/analysis/examination while posting here...truly. That might have you shaking your head as to "why would anyone bother to do this on the web!? Doesn't this guy have any friends to do this with?!" and the answer is twofold: it's good for the "soul" (nonspiritually speaking), and "no"...if it's not already obvious, I love writing: I think that it is the purest form of expression, and the one humand endeavor that really allows us to refine and reflect and develop our views...my views have actually changed a great deal on a great many subjects, many of then nonDEAD related, by my musings and ramblings posted here, and I thank each and everyone of you for tolerating it...cause frankly, you do. I post way too much for the "good of the board" I am sure. I am certain I bore the beejeebers out of a great many of the folks here. But I love to write, and I try to write between 5-15 pp of text a day (of course, much of it is "off site" and much is work related, but much is not).

And yep, I don't have but a few friends that I can do what we do here with, and they just aren't as into it as all of you...

So, thanks to you too D, I sincerely appreciate your input and exchanges; you're one of the good guys round here in my view.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 6, 2010 7:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The importance of attending a show

hit the nail on the head with those words Cliff. some of us were lucky to see shows, others were not, but it is still the MUSIC which counts. And like you, sometimes i can appreciate the actual "music" far more listening to a great recording than when I was actually there "at the scene" with all the attending distractions.